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General Discussion / Re: T-Shirt
« Last post by msuchanek on April 28, 2017, 10:03:12 PM »
What are the relevant events where you can get one?
General Discussion / Re: News from IBM and POWER8 / POWER9 plans
« Last post by msuchanek on April 28, 2017, 09:55:45 PM »
Between power-hungry server chips and crippled Freescale chips the choice is difficult. IBM went little-endian which makes porting software that runs on Intel waaay easier and distros started switching to that but the Freescale chips don't support AltiVec in LE ..
General Discussion / Re: RISC-V
« Last post by msuchanek on April 28, 2017, 09:47:48 PM »
Nothing stops you from making a RISC-Vook.

I think choosing PowerPC is kind of conservative - notebooks have been built around the platform in the past so it should work reasonably well .... ehm it used to with the IBM chips waaay back when they were reasonably powerful to give at least netbook class performance. I am not really that convinced about those Freescale chips. And given the thing is planned to have discrete graphics you can pretty much use any random core you can find that comes in a package with PCIe and some other reasonable peripherials .... like RISC-V.

PowerPC has the advantage of relatively mature port. It may be kind of dying out but you still have a lot of software that is already ported .. or was and can be refreshed easily.
Well, as you may know, we do not have enough options for names.
Here are a few more better and more goodly names.
Power Bisquit
Gnew Sandwich Laptop
Cheese and Fries in Disguise
What have these nerds come up with now?
Oh, yeah? But does it run linux?
Others OS / Re: openSUSE
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:24:05 PM »
openSUSE Leap 42.2 Linux Now Officially Available for PowerPC64le Architectures

Both Leap and Tumbleweed exist in PPC64 Big Endian versions quite a while.

Its only IBM Power 8 support that has come recently.

And these are amongst most updated PPC distros.
Others OS / Re: MorphOS
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:22:36 PM »
I think morphOS is jumping ship to x86 sooner or later ...

Its gone official! Only we dont know when, and will PPC be abandoned with it or parallel structure supported, but yes, MorphOS 4 should be x64 native.

However, at this 3.8 point of time, it is mature, fast and great operating system and there is no reason why shouldnt be used here.

MacPPC Pro books shall die (of envy) :-)
Others OS / Re: AmigaOS 4
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:19:29 PM »

As already stated here, A-Eon and A-cube are the companies who keep AmigaOS 4, at least, in new NG hardware. Trevor over at A-Eon could be very interested in something like this. It might actually turn a profit for him as all the different Amiga flavours would be interested in an Amiga laptop.

Yup, but mind that laptops specs kind of outperform the "top" model x5000 (I would call bugfixed and x1000 done proper and with more reasonable price). That is, in my eyes, reason against, but yes, as every Amigan since age of dawn, would love to see MOS/AROS/OS4 native on a laptop!
Fine tuning/Optimization of applications/libraries for PowerPC / Re: Browser situation
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:16:44 PM »
There is also OWB for MorphOS built on webkit, I'm not sure how good it actually is compared to TenFourFox. but it could be an option.

There is also Timberwolf for AOS4 but I'm quite sure its quite outdated.

I can send you HTML5 test scores for different browsers on PPC (AmigaOne x1000 OS 4.1FE and Debian Wheezy). In my own experience

a) On Amiga side Odyssey is far better and modern then OWB and TW (TW has never been finished, and I love to read announcement that stands still that it will be updated to FF19 )

b) On Linux side IceWeasel, Firefox and MIDORI do exist, beside KDE browser wich is Amiga style antiquitated by now. IceWeasel and FF are en par but FF tends to be a bit slow, so I find Midori very usable.

On UbuntuMATE which is updated, its possible to run Firefox 52

Yes, on none Javascript has JIT, but HTML5 works flawlessly and I find that most important.

Fine tuning/Optimization of applications/libraries for PowerPC / Re: Real Flash support
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:08:10 PM »
Is someone already working on getting Flash to work properly on PowerPC?

Sadly, there is no Flash in PPC Linux due to Adobe own policy (it does exist on x64
but Adobe doesnt want to make it open for cross platform compile).

Gladly, its been abandoned format, slow and CPU demanding and replaced by HTML5.

Adobes policies on their own plugin have been a matter of resistance in the past,
and I am glad You Tube has moved away.
Gnu/Linux Distros / Re: Fedora
« Last post by vox on April 27, 2017, 11:03:09 PM »
I think we should also test Fedora, I know its not fully Libre but it's a major distribution that still supports PowerPC (albeit only PPC64 and not in their standard "Workstation" variant).

Using PPC Linux on AmigaOne x1000 and all I can say is, currently choice is down to:

a) PPC32 - Kernel 3.x days, Stable, Good apps from up to 2012 (older IceWeasel, Krita, Libre 3.5 etc.) Avail as Debian Wheezy 7.11, Ubuntu 12-14, and many many more (abeit) older version of Linux distros (Gentoo, OpenSUSE, Fedora ...). KDE/LXDE/GNOME3 all work, but dont have 3D on Radeon HD 7000 and above (Southern Island chips) due some MESA/ bugs. Radeons HD 2000-6870 work with 3D.

b) PPC64 Big Endian Road - Kernel 4.x days - Its basically down to Fedora 20 Server
and Ubuntu 14 MATE. Here we have newer MATE/Cinnamon, and really fresh FF, Libre 5.x etc.
Also we need 64-bit for 4GB+ RAM

Little Endian is supported by newest Debian and few more Linuxes due to IBM Power8 initiative, but that is "working the things easy way" - no Altivec and IBM Power 8 optimized.
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