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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Raffaele_Megabyte on March 18, 2016, 03:12:56 AM

Title: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Raffaele_Megabyte on March 18, 2016, 03:12:56 AM
I said it so in the title, as it seems to me that new owners of Freescale want that the company must focus its efforts only on ARM design and projects, and leave PPC development, just continuing selling existing line of Powerr processors without any further advance of CPU design...

I hope that in six months the project will reach an advanced state of the art, and starting being known all around in computing scene to make a signal to information technology world that there is people who work for inverting actual descending trend of PPC platform.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on March 18, 2016, 02:15:47 PM
I hope NXP doesn't stop PPC development, our only other option would be to use low-end POWER8 CPU's (I think the slowest POWER8 CPU's are quad core processors at 2.5GHz, and while that sounds great, I don't know if that kind of power consumption is warranted in a laptop.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on April 16, 2016, 02:56:39 PM
In the future there is only one POWER/ PowerPC manufacture left. It will be IBM (and thrid parties).
I fear, the heat dissipation of a POWER CPU is too high for a notebook, but a stripped down version of it should fit.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on May 20, 2016, 02:27:30 PM
Some other PowerPC manufacturers still exist in China like Suzhou Powercore and C*Core.
But one can wonder if, along with further die-shrinks a quad-core Power9 or maybe Power10 system could be crammed into a laptop. It might need some special engineering, but maybe with a low-enough clock speed and a powerful enough fan system, it might be accomplished. I don't know how practical it would be.

Or we could just ask NXP what their plans are for their PowerPC line. That would help us and the Amiga guys in the future as well (since they are just now switching to Freescale CPU's). I don't know if they'd be willing to disclose such information, but maybe they can give a hint if they will develop the line further or cease production in favor of ARM later.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on May 27, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
My fear is, that these PowerPC manufacturers don't have the brainpower to develop a fitting notebook chip. If I'm right, they only "copied" existing POWER8 designs. Corrected me, if I'm wrong.

Maybe we could license QorIQ from NXP. But it's little bit expensive and no future development.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 01, 2016, 10:36:05 AM
Yesterday Newswire released an article about NXP QorIQ:

 PowerPC AltiVec is back with Aitech Defense Systems newest SBC (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/latest-qoriq-based-3u-vpx-sbc-from-aitech-defense-easily-handles-high-bandwidth-data-processing-requirements-300277089.html#continue-jump)

Maybe there is a little future left ;-)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on June 01, 2016, 03:17:40 PM
Well, as longs as military contractors keep using the PowerPC systems, maybe NXP will further develop the chips since they are a steady stream of revenue.

Funny how the army might save a platform useful for free software/hardware.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 01, 2016, 04:12:55 PM
Don't hang your hopes too high ;)
The military industry is not known as a driving force in chip development. The opposite is true. It has to be bullet proof ;)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on June 01, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
XD, they do might want backwards compatibility in their systems. I don't think they want to switch architecture too often, but newer developments in technology will eventually need new chips.

We could still try to contact NXP what the deal is with their QorIq PPC line and if they will continue it. Come to think of it, their HQ isn't THAT far from where I live  ;)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 01, 2016, 04:29:31 PM
Then go for it. I'm with you ;D
But I don't think, they will tell you such details ;)
Not to mention, that they don't even know what they will do next month, next year and so on :)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on June 01, 2016, 04:32:26 PM
I don't think they'll let anyone without an appointment waltz in  ;)
I do remember seeing a slide of NXP with plans for a successor to the e6500 core to come out around 2015-2016, but as of now, nothing has been made public. I really hope they make a new core since power/performance/price wise, those Freescale cores are still the best option.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 01, 2016, 05:42:34 PM
Are you sure it was from NXP? More likely Freescale.
From NXP I have seen no slides regarding new PowerPC SOCs
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on June 01, 2016, 05:47:30 PM
It was branded NXP, but it could be the slides were from the Freescale days and NXP just slapped their logo on it.

http://www.nxp.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_APF_NET_T0795.pdf

As I thought, Freescale slides, just with the NXP logo on top.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: cyrano on June 01, 2016, 05:59:08 PM
PowerPC chips are being used a lot in the embedded market. Things like routers, cable modems, flight controllers and car engine controllers. These are the clients that will make sure the PPC design is still around in 10 years.

These are also the kind of buyers who order quantities that'll make it feasible to get a custom die, made to their specs and unavailable on the open market.

I sincerely hope the team has already sourced the processor. Some of these can be True Unobtanium®...

For instance, the ARM SOC powering the Raspberry Pi can only be bought in minimum quantities of one million. For the defense industry, buying one million PPC chips isn't a problem at all, even if they need only 10.000. A typical dual core VME board will set the army back around 5.000 US$, excluding support. And that's for an SBC, so just a single PCB with a maybe 1 GHz processor and 512 MB ram. Not what we would consider "high end".
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 01, 2016, 06:04:07 PM
It was branded NXP, but it could be the slides were from the Freescale days and NXP just slapped their logo on it.

http://www.nxp.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_APF_NET_T0795.pdf

As I thought, Freescale slides, just with the NXP logo on top.
Ah okay. Yes, the e6501.
The takeover from NXP was in early 2015, AFAIK.

Quote
All other product or service names are the property of their respective owners. © 2013 Freescale Semiconductor, Inc.

Anyway. We will observe it ;)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 14, 2016, 11:59:31 AM
New low-power T2s with higher memory-bandwidth are released:
http://www.nxp.com/video/t2-family-low-power-options:LOW-POWER-T2

But don't hold your breath, I assume these SoCs were in the pipeline long before NXPs takeover.

Maybe there is a chance to jump on the new SOCs?
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on June 14, 2016, 05:19:28 PM
Still kind of disappointing though. The e6500 cores are 4 years old by now. You would at least start to expect a whole new product range if they were serious about Power.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on June 14, 2016, 11:19:40 PM
These SoCs aren't mainstream driven, sadly.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on July 08, 2016, 04:14:03 PM
Maybe NXP will be forced to develop new PowerPC cores. More and more modules are coming with e6500 cores ;-)

Rugged, network oriented module dishes up 12-core QorIQ SoC (http://hackerboards.com/rugged-network-oriented-module-dishes-up-12-core-qoriq-soc/)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on September 30, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
RIP Freescale -> Qualcomm Is Said to Be in Talks to Buy NXP Semiconductors (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/business/dealbook/qualcomm-is-said-to-be-in-talks-to-buy-nxp-semiconductors.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Casper on September 30, 2016, 04:09:18 PM
I fear for the embedded Power cores under Qualcomm.
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on October 27, 2016, 04:22:48 PM
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October 27, 2016

Dear Friends, Partners and Customers,

.

On October 27, 2016, we announced that NXP has agreed to be acquired by Qualcomm. This will create the industry powerhouse to focus on Secure Connections for a Smarter World.

The combining of NXP into Qualcomm is based on compelling strategic logic that brings together two highly successful and complementary businesses to create a premier semiconductor industry leader. With unique leadership positions in Wireless technologies, Security and Processing, the union is ideally positioned to address the emerging trends of ADAS and Autonomous Vehicles, the Internet of Things (IoT) and the 5G revolution.

The combined company is expected to have annual revenues of more than $30 billion, serviceable addressable markets of $138 billion in 2020 and leadership positions across mobile, automotive, IOT, security and networking segments. The transaction has substantial strategic and financial benefits:

Complementary technology leadership in strategically important areas: The transaction combines Qualcomm’s leadership in low-power advanced computing, connectivity and communications systems with NXP’s complementary leadership in general purpose and automotive grade processing, security, automotive safety sensors and RF; enabling more complete system solutions.
Mobile: A leader in mobile SoCs, 3G/4G/5G modems and security.
Automotive: A leader in global automotive semiconductors, including ADAS, infotainment, safety systems, body & networking, powertrain & chassis and secure access.
IoT and Security A leader in broad-based MCUs, secure identification, mobile transactions, payment cards and transit; strength in application processors and connectivity systems.
Networking: A leader in network processors for wired and wireless communications and RF sub-segments, Wave-2 11ac/11ad, RF power and BTS systems.
Enhanced go-to-market capabilities to serve our customers: The combination of Qualcomm and NXP’s deep customer and ecosystem relationships and distribution channels enables the ability to deliver leading products and platforms at scale in mobile, automotive, IoT, industrial, security and networking.
Shared track record of innovation and commitment to operational discipline: Both companies have demonstrated a strong commitment to technology leadership and best-in-class product portfolios with focused investments in R&D. Qualcomm and NXP have both taken action to position themselves for profitable growth, while maintaining financial and operational discipline.
Qualcomm is an exceptional company with a like-minded approach to that of NXP, in terms of customer-focused innovation. Its exceptional heritage, engineering execution capability and richness of technology are an ideal match to NXP’s long-standing commitment to the Automotive, Security, Networking, Consumer and Industrial markets. We and the entire NXP team are delighted at this prospect and wish to assure you of our continued commitment to you throughout the entire transition phase and beyond.

Of course, the transaction is subject to regulatory approvals and other closing conditions, so we anticipate that the acquisition will likely close during the end of calendar 2017. However, for now and until the close of the deal, it will be business as usual, and all NXP employees will remain focused on total customer satisfaction with a passion to win.

On behalf of the entire organization, we thank you for your continued support, as we together continue to complete the integration of the Freescale and NXP systems. We are truly excited about our potential as a combined company with Qualcomm and the increased ability to deliver to you unsurpassed customer service and innovative products. We are confident that our combination with Qualcomm will be as seamless as possible and look forward to working with you for many years to come.

We will keep you informed as additional information becomes available that we are legally permitted to share.

Sincerely,
Title: Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
Post by: Carlos on November 16, 2016, 02:24:17 PM
In 2016 NXP also announced low-power versions of the T4:
http://www.nxp.com/video/t4-family-low-power-options:LOW-POWER-T4

T4240 -> 24 threads, 1,8GHz: 45W (3,75W per core)

NXP also announced a guideline DDR3 to DDR4 transition:
http://www.nxp.com/video/simplify-ddr4-transition:SIMPLIFY-DDR4-TRANSITION