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#91
Media production to comunicate the project / Re: Let's vote for the name
Last post by robyinno - May 12, 2017, 04:17:01 PMadded on the poll
Quote from: Milton César on May 01, 2017, 02:12:35 AM
I have a suggestion for a name. My suggestion is PowerPhoenix.
#92
Fine tuning/Optimization of applications/libraries for PowerPC / Re: Java?
Last post by msuchanek - May 11, 2017, 04:03:11 PMThere is also some sort of IBM JDK.
It is probably ppc64le only in recent versions, though.
It is probably ppc64le only in recent versions, though.
#93
Fine tuning/Optimization of applications/libraries for PowerPC / Re: Real Flash support
Last post by msuchanek - May 11, 2017, 04:00:24 PMI don't like flash either.
It was promising platform in the past and provided features that the web did not provide otherwise.
The web has caught up since so with very recent versions of 'major' web browsers you can get pretty much anything flash provides in html5 only.
Unfortunately, many websites have not caught up and still use flash for some major features meaning they will break without flash.
In particular youtube still requires flash to play back old low-res videos AFAICT.
I think the platform was killed by Macromedia not allowing alternative renderers. They tried to exert tight control over the platform which in the end bit them back. At certain point wintel+mac was no longer 99.999% of everything and an alternative renderer that was required for the platform to survive at least as a niche alternative was not there. Today you would not consider flash for new applications unless you use a framework that has it only as one of possible targets because you want to reach users. And most users are 'mobile' these days which means mostly flash-free.
Practically the Adobe blob or the Google build of the same is the only way to render flash content to date. So if you want flash consider x86 emulation.
It was promising platform in the past and provided features that the web did not provide otherwise.
The web has caught up since so with very recent versions of 'major' web browsers you can get pretty much anything flash provides in html5 only.
Unfortunately, many websites have not caught up and still use flash for some major features meaning they will break without flash.
In particular youtube still requires flash to play back old low-res videos AFAICT.
I think the platform was killed by Macromedia not allowing alternative renderers. They tried to exert tight control over the platform which in the end bit them back. At certain point wintel+mac was no longer 99.999% of everything and an alternative renderer that was required for the platform to survive at least as a niche alternative was not there. Today you would not consider flash for new applications unless you use a framework that has it only as one of possible targets because you want to reach users. And most users are 'mobile' these days which means mostly flash-free.
Practically the Adobe blob or the Google build of the same is the only way to render flash content to date. So if you want flash consider x86 emulation.
#94
Fine tuning/Optimization of applications/libraries for PowerPC / Re: Browser situation
Last post by msuchanek - May 11, 2017, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: Shiunbird on May 13, 2016, 10:40:37 AM
The maintainer and developer of TenFourFox is apparently a fantastic person, I guess contacting him for clarification wouldn't be a bad thing.
But as far as I know, he does all of his TenFourFox work in XCode, and he leverages Mac OS-only APIs like Core Text and Core Image. I'm not sure how portable that code is.
His main working OS is to this day OS X 10.4.
You can just build the corresponding version of Darwin which is basically OS X without some proprietary apps and without Apple support.
Given it is conserved in the state it was back then providing optimization for powerpc/altivec it might be nice platform to try out.
How much effort it will be to get it going and update hardware drivers is difficult to tell. Surely the newer versions do support more current hardware but they focus on Intel. Meaning some obscure pieces required to run on the power notebook will need to be ported from elsewhere and there might be endian problems with drivers already present because nobody ever built them for bigendian.
#95
Gnu/Linux Distros / Re: Fedora
Last post by msuchanek - May 04, 2017, 04:19:38 PMQuote from: vox on April 27, 2017, 11:03:09 PMDo you have a recent FF that plays Youtube videos on ppc64 BE?
b) PPC64 Big Endian Road - Kernel 4.x days - Its basically down to Fedora 20 Server
and Ubuntu 14 MATE. Here we have newer MATE/Cinnamon, and really fresh FF, Libre 5.x etc.
Also we need 64-bit for 4GB+ RAM
#96
Gnu/Linux Distros / Re: Fedora
Last post by Casper - May 02, 2017, 09:06:02 AMQuote from: vox on April 27, 2017, 11:03:09 PMQuote from: Casper on April 26, 2017, 02:32:22 PMb) PPC64 Big Endian Road - Kernel 4.x days - Its basically down to Fedora 20 Server
I think we should also test Fedora, I know its not fully Libre but it's a major distribution that still supports PowerPC (albeit only PPC64 and not in their standard "Workstation" variant).
Thoughts.
and Ubuntu 14 MATE. Here we have newer MATE/Cinnamon, and really fresh FF, Libre 5.x etc.
Also we need 64-bit for 4GB+ RAM
Little Endian is supported by newest Debian and few more Linuxes due to IBM Power8 initiative, but that is "working the things easy way" - no Altivec and IBM Power 8 optimized.
Fedora 25 Server also has a PPC64 version, does that work on the X1000?
#97
Media production to comunicate the project / Re: Let's vote for the name
Last post by Milton César - May 01, 2017, 02:12:35 AMI have a suggestion for a name. My suggestion is PowerPhoenix.
#98
Media production to comunicate the project / Re: Let's vote for the name
Last post by robyinno - April 30, 2017, 06:59:20 PMWe have time at least until 10th May 
#99
Media production to comunicate the project / Re: Let's vote for the name
Last post by msuchanek - April 28, 2017, 10:24:20 PMHas a name been decided already?
It seems the poll is still open but I do not see any particularly awesome name.
BTW powertop is a name of certain piece of software .. somewhat akin to iotop and nethogs.
PoPCorn is kind of inventive at least and features PPC in it so it somewhat relates to the project and its deliverable ;-)
m-ower does not display properly for me. I see ? in place of the first character. Is it Π-ower or π-ower or ..? Πindeed looks a lot like M if you limit yourself to Latin characters.
progressbook and openbook already exist so much like powerbook they are out of question. Although progressbook is used in relation to school so might be kind of funny to overload that term.
Names containing Libre and some English word sound like you cannot speak one language properly and have to mix two. Isn't libre French?
I don't particularly like the names with cube. I expect notebook to be flat ;-) And IIRC powercube was (unofficial?) name of a Mac computer model.
I totally support MeOW but I do not see any connection to the project.
I think something like OpenPPCbooK would be ok. It does not embed any well known existing trademark. "Open" reflects the choices of the project to consider NDA-free and accessible hardware and software where practical but including components with more restrictions to achieve reasonable performance and features where necessary. So not truly "free hardware".
It seems the poll is still open but I do not see any particularly awesome name.
BTW powertop is a name of certain piece of software .. somewhat akin to iotop and nethogs.
PoPCorn is kind of inventive at least and features PPC in it so it somewhat relates to the project and its deliverable ;-)
m-ower does not display properly for me. I see ? in place of the first character. Is it Π-ower or π-ower or ..? Πindeed looks a lot like M if you limit yourself to Latin characters.
progressbook and openbook already exist so much like powerbook they are out of question. Although progressbook is used in relation to school so might be kind of funny to overload that term.
Names containing Libre and some English word sound like you cannot speak one language properly and have to mix two. Isn't libre French?
I don't particularly like the names with cube. I expect notebook to be flat ;-) And IIRC powercube was (unofficial?) name of a Mac computer model.
I totally support MeOW but I do not see any connection to the project.
I think something like OpenPPCbooK would be ok. It does not embed any well known existing trademark. "Open" reflects the choices of the project to consider NDA-free and accessible hardware and software where practical but including components with more restrictions to achieve reasonable performance and features where necessary. So not truly "free hardware".
#100
General Discussion / Re: Power.org T-Shirt
Last post by msuchanek - April 28, 2017, 10:03:12 PMWhat are the relevant events where you can get one?
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