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General Discussion / Re: News from IBM and POWER8 / POWER9 plans
« Last post by Casper on November 29, 2016, 06:16:58 PM »
I sincerely hope an embedded solution comes out of the OpenPOWER Foundation, server hardware isn't going to get us far.
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General Discussion / Re: News from IBM and POWER8 / POWER9 plans
« Last post by Carlos on November 29, 2016, 12:35:28 PM »
Thomas Krenn is also offering OpenPOWER (POWER8) servers:
https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/actions/open-power.html

The only european company so far.
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news from the team / Debian 9 and PowerPC
« Last post by deuteros on November 17, 2016, 10:45:34 PM »
Some of us are willing to help the Debian PPC development. Read our latest post and contact us if you are interested in support this action.

http://www.powerpc-notebook.org/2016/11/debian-9-and-powerpc/
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General Discussion / China Core: PowerPC cores
« Last post by Carlos on November 17, 2016, 04:04:51 PM »
There is another company that builds PowerPC CPUs. Sadly, only in chinese language:
C * Core CPU core (Google translator)

C9100 and C10000 sounds interesting.
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General Discussion / Re: After acquisition of Freescale we need a boost to hurry!...
« Last post by Carlos on November 16, 2016, 02:24:17 PM »
In 2016 NXP also announced low-power versions of the T4:
http://www.nxp.com/video/t4-family-low-power-options:LOW-POWER-T4

T4240 -> 24 threads, 1,8GHz: 45W (3,75W per core)

NXP also announced a guideline DDR3 to DDR4 transition:
http://www.nxp.com/video/simplify-ddr4-transition:SIMPLIFY-DDR4-TRANSITION
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Suggestions / Re: Future Power CPU's and ideas
« Last post by Carlos on November 07, 2016, 01:05:12 PM »
Why not. Visions are good. We will see what the future brings. But I'm pretty sure, you have to pay IBM a lot of money in doing this. And you can't compare with Intel, because they have a bigger market.

But I'm also pretty sure, if someone gives IBM enough money, the can build a chip that beats any Intel offerings.
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Suggestions / Re: Future Power CPU's and ideas
« Last post by Casper on November 06, 2016, 07:07:57 PM »
AMCC has seemingly ceased all development of Power based chips before Freescale. But since Freescale needed to design their cores from their own R&D, I can imagine Qualcomm passing these in favor of pre-made ARM cores.

I wonder if we grouped together with some companies and asked IBM to design a cut down POWER9 core how much that would cost (since the cores themselves already have been designed). Maybe if a large enough group of smaller companies buy a smaller design chip. If Intel can make more than 10 variants of every Intel Core design, then surely we should be able to get one more design out of POWER?

Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic.
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Suggestions / Re: Future Power CPU's and ideas
« Last post by Carlos on November 06, 2016, 02:39:07 PM »
That's what I mean with "POWER derivative". The G5 (PPC970--) was a derivative of POWER4.
Yes, if Qualcomm leaves the PowerPC, only a few companies are left. IBM and AMCC, AFAIK. It seems that even AMCC is switching from PowerPC to ARM.

Even if IBM sees no one in doing a derivate of POWER chips, it's not looking good:
The number of "vendors who have the skills to be able to take a sophisticated processor and do derivatives of it for the server market is actually perhaps a smaller universe than we thought," Balog said

And IBM is only talking about the server market.

The only road that makes sense in a commercial way is to build a ultra low-power PowerPC SoC that fits in embedded and mobile devices, from phone to notebook. Then there is a bigger market maybe. But it would be really though to fight against ARM and Intel at once.
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Suggestions / Re: Future Power CPU's and ideas
« Last post by Casper on November 06, 2016, 02:09:15 PM »
I don't really see it as a POWER derivative chip, but rather a severely cut down version of their server chips (because that's what I think is hurting the TALOS Secure Workstation, it's prohibitively expensive). but I can imagine even making a cut down version would cost quite a bit of money.

However if NXP --> Qualcomm stops making Power based QorIQ chips, companies who are dependant on the Power chips like A-EON, ACube and such might pool together for such a project. i can even see Raptor Engineering opt for a more low-end Power chip to reduce costs.
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